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Exploring the intricate life of being an entrepreneur and creative.
For over 20 years, Justin Rizzo has been a full-time worship leader, songwriter, and filmmaker. He is passionate about authentic worship and creativity. Justin also dedicates himself to raising up and coaching worship leaders and creatives of all types, nurturing their growth and success. In addition, he owns Firelight Creative, a production company that has produced multiple award-winning musicals and films, and hosts gatherings for creatives both online and in person. Justin travels extensively to lead worship and speak at events around the world.
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043 Why I Left Ministry to Start a Business (And What Happened Next)
What happens when a worship pastor of 15 years suddenly steps away from ministry with no backup plan?
Jordan Marcotte's remarkable story reveals the unexpected journey from spiritual crisis to entrepreneurial success, demonstrating how embracing your complete identity can transform both business and life.
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Justin Rizzo is a worship leader, songwriter, and filmmaker. He is passionate about authentic worship and creativity, focused on bringing glory to Jesus. Justin also dedicates himself to raising up and coaching worship leaders and creatives of all types, nurturing their growth and success. In addition, he owns Firelight Creative, a production company that has produced multiple award-winning musicals and films, and hosts gatherings for creatives both online and in person. Justin travels extensively to lead worship and speak at events worldwide.
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Hey guys, welcome in to the Rizkast podcast. My name is Justin Rizzo and I'm joined today by a special guest, my friend, jordan Marcotte. And if you don't know Jordan Jordan is a conference speaker, entrepreneur, worship leader, brand expert, all kinds of things, and I want to jump right in today and talk to him, which he has no idea what I'm going to talk to him about. He just agreed to hop on as a guest, but we've been talking and we've known each other for years and the past couple of years has been a lot happening in your life in terms of transition. And I want to just kind of ask you about the past year and a half of your life.
Speaker 1:You were a full-time worship pastor for 15 years and an associate pastor for 15 years. Ministry was kind of the end-all, be-all in your life, as far as you could see, for a lot of years. And then something happened about a year and a half ago where a mentor of yours floated this idea of hey, what if you kind of like step back from this and kind of take us through from that point? Um cause again transition for a lot of people, a lot of people hate transition. I do not like transition. I do not like um things changing. I'm a routine guy. I want to know like my schedule and I love you know, doing the same thing, whatever Um within reason. I also love traveling and seeing a different city every single day. I love touring. But you know for you do, I guess. First question do you? Are you the type of person out of the likes transition or you like not a fan of it?
Speaker 2:that's really hard. I do like transit. I don't, I don't mind transition. I think I do really good with it, but uh, I'm more effective when I have routine Okay. So I know that that probably sounds contradicting, but I am a distinction.
Speaker 1:You know yourself I do so when this mentor tells you floats this idea, um, I believe I recall you said you had a lot of resonance of like absolutely, that's, that's my next step, right, yep, so then the the outworking of that, you go to your pastor and you share this Like how did that conversation go?
Speaker 2:It went really good. I was grateful, you know, I think I talked about this in a couple episodes ago, but just explaining how I was at a church for a while and then I jumped in with my youth pastors who were starting this church here in Kansas City three years ago, and so it was beautiful, because I remember them even saying, like you know, obviously they wouldn't have known what this would have ultimately looked like or meant they're just like, hey, I hope that this can be like a time of rest for you, of rest for you. And so the reason I give that backstory is because I think if I was somewhere else, I don't think that I would have felt the same kind of grace and permission as I did when I told them.
Speaker 2:Now the only hard part was that we had already had a conversation a few weeks before where I'm like I was stepping away from some other job thing, content thing that was also helping supplement income at that time that I was taking a severance from, and I said out of my mouth that mentor was in here in my living room. There was a lot of relief because I was like, yeah, I just I didn't feel a lot of confidence choosing that for myself and so I immediately went and did I mean I immediately had the conversation, like I went immediately and had it.
Speaker 2:With your pastor that you would just ask him stepping down.
Speaker 1:Then you go back to him and say whoops, I am stepping down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I said hey, actually I'm out of here and I thought it was gonna be three months, and he's like how about we just take it um month at a time? And so now it's been a year and a half, so I think we're just still taking it a month at a time but it was a year and a half ago, yeah, january.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got severance for three months, yeah, from the content job, yeah, okay. So March comes along and I mean I remember you and I having these conversations. We kind of draw our listeners into the story here. The days are ticking by and a severance is about to end. You had clarity that you were not going to go back and be a full-time worship pastor, 100%, and did you have clarity about what was next?
Speaker 2:No Zero.
Speaker 1:Clarity, no Zero clarity, zero clarity, zero clarity and zero income. Yep, after the severance ends Mm-hmm, zero. Okay, how'd your wife do in that season?
Speaker 2:thankfully, thankfully she um, I mean she, she's, she's, she's phenomenal man like, I think, because of how she grew up as a missionary kid, like obviously there's parts of it that were challenging, but like she really understood that we were in the will of God, okay, and so she, she was not stressed about it, okay.
Speaker 1:At all. But you as a man, the provider, you know the guy who's supposed to have his, his house in order, his family in order. You have two kids. You're stressed every day Like are you sleeping?
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, okay, yeah, I mean there, um, um in the beginning, because it was like, okay, we've got a little bit of money to last us maybe three months, try to last us three months. And the way I explain it was like it felt like for the first time I was just like uncapped, like Like I saw the world in different colors. Um, music, you know music, ministry, all of it was like there's always so much pressure around thinking this is the only thing that I've got, this is the only thing I'm good at. This is, you know, this, this has to work. This has to work.
Speaker 2:You know, especially music, you know music separate from worship leading, as an artist always felt like, well, this somehow still feels close to, maybe, what God has wanted me to do, but it can be my out from ministry. I think I always wanted an out. I know that that sounds really bad, because I'm a great worship leader. I love doing, I love worship leading, um, but there's like I recognize the parts of worship leading that I really love and that I'm gifted at has nothing to even really do with the conventional version of like what worship leading like looks like in church, and so music, though, was really fun for me still to this day, but it's the weirdest feeling to have zero desire right now to do it, you know, which is like why. It's just super weird, and so I'm'm. I'm not losing sleep at this point, but I am like I'm I'm actively trying to rest and figure out how to build what's next. So it was like really weird. Um, and then, yeah, god caught me. God caught me off guard with what happened.
Speaker 1:So and so what was the first inkling? That God was like pushing you in the direction that you were about to head in. What happened?
Speaker 2:So I had picked up a video camera two years ago to um or at this point, what, three years ago, two and a half, three years ago uh, to start a YouTube channel. But like anything else, I just I don't, I can't do anything and make it not look good. You know, it doesn't have to be perfect, but like I just I love being a student and so, um, so I got reasonably good at it and then I started doing it for like making content for you know, me and my wife, our music and content for people at church. Um, and in the past I had dabbled in like marketing stuff and things like that with other friends to try to supplement income.
Speaker 2:I wasn't like a genius, but I knew enough to be able to understand that, like what clients needed. And so, for me, I knew that I needed to be able to have high ticket. I started learning about high ticket offers and I knew that I needed monthly recurring revenue. So I knew I needed MRR, and so I was like, well, I can use my camera to try to create an offer for entrepreneurs and business owners who needed like marketing content. And so that's what I did, and so I remember I don't remember who was the first, and so that's what I did.
Speaker 1:And so I remember.
Speaker 2:I don't remember who was the first it was some person from my church, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was some person from my church.
Speaker 2:I'll leave their name out, but I sold them essentially on a $2,500 a month offer to do content marketing. I was like, okay, that's my first no website. No one knows what the frick I'm doing. I know we mentioned M house before, but like that was just a cute idea to like give it a name. But there was really no brand, there was nothing that existed, it was just me and so, and that's what started showing me, and then I did it again. I closed a coffee shop at $2,500 a month and then it just like built its way up.
Speaker 1:I think our highest month was like 20 grand and so, yeah, I mean so from three months severance from ministry to I don't know how I'm going to pay my bills when these savings and the severance is gone. To look at the camera you'd bought a couple of years earlier and saying someone at your church hey, I can make a video about that. Or I can help you set up a podcast studio. I can help you share your story or whatever. Suddenly you're closing clients at. You know $2,500 a month, highest grossing month $20,000. Now it's been a year and a half. How much would you say? You've closed gross income from these videos and help people with their branding.
Speaker 2:I mean those first nine months or so. I'm pretty sure we did. I mean we hit six figures that first year. I'm pretty sure we did. I mean we hit six figures that first year, wow, and so it would have been, yeah, leading up until this point. I mean we would have been over six figures, which was huge for me, because I've my goal was I want to be able to make the severance I got that was supposed to hold me over for three months. In one month. That was like my number one goal. I wanted to make $10,000 in one month, um, and so one month I went from I think we had like 6k and I was like this is amazing, but then we jumped straight. Like that was the month where we hit pretty much 20 grand, I think it was like maybe like 19, 19, five, something like that.
Speaker 2:Um, so that was nuts, because you got to remember too, there was a lot of stuff God was doing like breaking apart value and worth, right, I was going through an identity crisis. At the same time, god was using something that I thought was so stupid, you know, felt like David in the slingshot attack, like attacking Goliath and winning. You know, it just was like a camera, like people, come to me, you're the camera guy. I'm like are you serious? You do not know who I like, who I am, what I do, and I hate that. That stuff was in me, but that was broke, god.
Speaker 2:God had to break that man, and a lot of it was just out of frustration, man fear, a lot of years of did I make the right decisions?
Speaker 2:How you know, like what all that stuff and again, we go deep into that but but god used it, man to like, like he provided, while I was able to heal and rest and just reframed a lot of my, my mind, and so what started happening was, though, the deeper thing was, I started looking at all the things that I was really good at, you know, like identity, like, honestly, I feel like I'm an identity coach.
Speaker 2:That's probably like the strongest position for me, because it's like what started happening with entrepreneurs was I'm like all this stuff I've been doing in ministry for years. Now I'm doing among entrepreneurs, not just delivering but doing the transformative work, and so I would look at their insecurities and stuff. This is where coaching and consulting really started to like emerge, because that's my strengths, that's my real gift. Making videos for people I do not care about, but what I do care about is people being able to access the depth of who they actually are, who God made them to be, so that they can say what they need to say and tell the story that they actually need to tell.
Speaker 1:And so I started, yeah, yeah, so to interrupt you. But on that I remember vividly, multiple times last year and a half we're grabbing coffee and you tell me, man, I sat down with whoever in whatever field it was. They hired me to do some video work for them. So I'm there as a video guy. You have a team of editors who work for you. You shoot, you know, you edit it, but you spent most of your time I remember you saying correct me if I'm wrong I spent most of my time talking the person through who they were, and they're like what am I supposed to say?
Speaker 1:You're like well, why do you do you know? Why do you make baseball bats for Little League Baseball? It's like I don't really know. It's like what do you mean? You don't know, like it's just a business to you. It's getting to the deeper meaning, the deeper meaning. And then you begin to find you're like this you know identity or soul coach. You're sitting there with your camera taking way more time than you were contracted for because you're, you shoot up, you know, you set up, you shoot, you press record. You're not like the coach guy writing their scripts. That's a separate identity, a separate job. Call an identity manager or brand manager or whatever, or you just just assume this person has their stuff together, they know why they're doing this business. You're like you know, you're taking hours to coach them on what to say and you begin to find this is actually where I think what I'm made to do, not just at coffee shops with the bros, but to get paid for these services.
Speaker 2:It was no, it was wild to get paid for it because I had done this level of coaching for years, you know, years, and that's why it's like it's not just it's not just like brand coaching, I feel like, because it is so level strategy, it is like identity. It's just that what I, how I help, impacts brand and so like, and so it's. There's a little bit of a differentiator there, but it's huge, especially in today's age, because you know, you and I were talking about this, I think you know, earlier this week where obviously we're talking about long form content, all this stuff. But in the day and age of AI, all this stuff, beautiful tools and things to use it's just the reality is is that if people like the one thing, the things to use, it's just the reality is, is that if people like the one, the greatest strategy anyone ever has in their art, creativity or brand and in their business is story?
Speaker 2:story all day and, like I said in our previous episode, if people do not learn to heal their story, if they do not learn to go back and forgive, if they do not allow themselves to access, it, does not matter how good of a story you can tell, you will tr, you will, you will, you'll. You'll offer fragmented versions and inauthentic versions of yourself. That's why people burn out because they cannot sustain that over time. Yeah, they can't, and people want.
Speaker 1:People want that part of it absolutely. And and to comment on that, and I face this all the time. So if you listen to my show for a while, you know I coach worship leaders and I have multiple programs that I run. One of my programs is twice a year in Nashville, tennessee. I take 10 people per event. It's called Recharge. Jordan was with us there this past year, he'll be there with us again this next year, this past year, he'll be there with us again this next year.
Speaker 1:And part of what I do when you sign up for this event in Nashville it's not just soul care for worship leaders in the sense of you know, body, soul and spirit or whatever. We're going to pray over you and prophesy over you. Whatever we do those things, it's amazing. We create together, we co-write together, we lead sets together, eat amazing food, amazing coffee. Really the.
Speaker 1:What sets this event apart is I produce a ready to upload, to spotify single yeah for each person who comes, okay, and so over and over and over again, when people hear about this program, you know, um, and they reach out whatever. Hey, how does this work? And there's a whole website and everything else, but, um, there's such like, number one insecurity of like, do I even have a song? But that's not my point. Uh, the point I want to mention is man, this is like so much money. Now it's only four thousand dollars. That's not a lot of money, like if you see the value of what you're getting all your food, all your drinks are covered. You're getting ready to upload to spotify single. I mean, my goodness that's. You could spend two, three, four thousand dollars on a single, on a single loan, like seriously, so it's a great deal. But for a lot of people, four thousand dollars is like, oh my gosh, like how am I gonna get that money?
Speaker 1:And so I say, um, you can fundraise it. You can, you know, share with grandma, grandpa, aunts, uncles, your church, whatever. Um, I mean best to have your church understand that if they push you as a worship leader to grow, it's only going to help them. They're not creating like a Nashville superstar, like, as they invest in you as a worship leader, it's going to just turn back on their church and affect them. So ideally, the church pays for it, but for a lot of people the church can't do that with their volunteer whatever. Or the church can supplement some of it, and they got to raise $2,000 or whatever. And they say, well, how am I going to raise it? So I'm like, well, let's talk to people. You know, we can write a little letter and share in person. It's the best way to do it.
Speaker 1:And I'm like, what's your vision for doing this? And they're like, I don't, I don't know, I just I just felt like a prophecy when I was young and I should, like you know, write and record music. And I'm like, okay, that's awesome, I love that. But you, you need to have an actual like vision, with clarity behind what you're doing as a creative, as a songwriter. And if you don't have that and I've coached, you know, and walked in for tons of worship leaders through this process of like, well, why do you want to create more music when, when you have, like you know, elevation and Phil and Brandon and Bethel and all those different people creating all this music, why would you throw your hat in the ring Right?
Speaker 1:And I'm playing devil's advocate. I believe that they should, just because God called them to, that's enough. But I'm pushing it to fundraise, like, if, if some you know slick business guys like, why would I ever pay you when we have Phil and Brandon on Caleb, every day you know to go record it. Why would you ever go record a song if they don't know you, whatever? What would you say to that person? You want to have an answer and you want to actually you know whatever that is for you. It's like well, I feel is specifically in the theology of music. I I really have a bent towards songs about surrender, wholehearted, narrow way type songs, and that's what I'm going to nashville to do, because I believe that there's a demographic of young people who don't understand surrender and maybe sometimes in the worship music we don't always hit that. There are amazing songs, but I really feel bent towards that.
Speaker 1:That's a vision of why you want to go, you know, record your music or whatever, so let alone a business owner. I'm speaking to creatives and songwriters in here like, instead of just throwing your hat in the ring to, like, create more music and more noise on spotify, again, a calling alone is good enough. Move forward if you feel called to do it, but it helps a whole lot if you have a vision. It does so as you're walking these people through their process of, like this person who creates baseball bats for whatever, doesn't know their vision of why they do it, whatever it is, I'll say that's a fake uh story. Um, doesn't know their business, why they do it, whatever it is, I'll say that's a fake story. You begin to find I think I'm actually skilled and gifted at doing this.
Speaker 1:So now, fast forward. It's been a year and a half of doing this. Where do you find yourself today? Like, can people go to a website or to your Instagram If they're like, hey, I want to talk to this guy. I want to pay for an hour consult with this guy. Um, to to begin to like figure out to help me with my business, on my brand, whether it's personal, whatever your company is like, can people still do that today. Are you full up with clients? Do you have any space?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I think what's cool now is like the, the, the transition away. Like the, the, the content stuff was amazing, like just the Lord used it, pun intended to like expose me to the reality of, like what people are really needing, because it was more than just entrepreneurs. You know, this is a human, this is a human problem and I just like, I think, because of my obsession with wanting to be able to see, like people unlocked you, you know, now it's, you know, I'm obviously bending more into being a speaker. Okay, because I want to be able to use my story and my voice to be able to help champion and encourage one to many right, to be able to help frame identity and to be able to like let people see that their story is beautiful, that, if I don't, if I don't learn to go back and forgive and heal and embrace every part of me, there are people that will work with me, simply because, the answer to that question always is why me?
Speaker 2:I was like. I know everyone's always like, why not you? But I'm like the reality Cause I'm like you. You literally are. You are the only person in this entire world that God will ever and has ever made, will ever make. That has your perspective, your experience, your story, and so the best thing that we can do in this life is to be able to embrace all of it. All of it, um, and then, yeah, coaching and consulting, um, and so I'm huh are you open to be doing a quick challenge on here?
Speaker 1:Sure, I have a landscaping business, yep UC town, with a CEO of a landscaping company and what is the first thing that you begin to kind of go after? Like, we cut lawns, maybe we do installs of waterfalls and fireplaces in the backyard or whatever, but what's like help, help me walk through and help my listeners kind of understand why would they ever need, like you know, a soul coach in that?
Speaker 2:in that regard, Like how, yeah, ok, yeah, that's a good question. This happened the other day, actually, so I'm glad that you brought this up. It's not a lot of landscaping business, but the first thing, like literally over lunch, someone's like I need to consult you about marketing they call it marketing, whatever and I work. I work more closely with personal brands, like people who want to leverage personal brand and story, but what we're seeing is like I mean, always the first question is like what do you need to get out of this? That's not like a, that's not like a wow, oh, blow your mind as a coach and consultant thing. But the reality is is that if you're just looking for business revenue growth and like I'm not a business growth coach, I'm not here to run your ads, I did all of that, you know, and only to find out everything that I didn't want to do. But if you are a founder who believes in legacy and who believes in connection and you believe that there's a narrative that you want to be able to not only leave behind but live out and be able to speak from, and you want to build your business from the place of being able to actually have connection with your clientele in your community, then we begin to move through the phase of okay, if, if outcome is legacy content, legacy branding, then that's where we begin to shift that into what's the story? Who are you? And that's hard to like. I could sit here and write out a framework, but the reality is is that there's not just some exclusive one. Maybe I should make one one, you know, one size fits all framework that be able to ask specific questions. But you'd be surprised that if I said what's the story? The amount of people I worked with them all year man people making crazy money who felt completely disconnected and removed from their brand, right, and so that's where I had to like learn to, like leverage and also like understand.
Speaker 2:My niche is I'm no longer just coming in as just like a marketing and advertising consultant. There are people who are like no, no, I don't care about all that, I just want, I want to pay money and then do a conversion and get transaction. I'm like, I'm not a, not a part of that anymore. I don't want to do any of that. That's not where I serve people the best. But there are founders, ceos and leaders of companies and businesses not even just solopreneurs, but people who are parts of massive corporations who are investing real money, real time and real effort into building their personal brand. A personal brand is just who are you? What's the reputation that people think of? What's the perception? Uh, based on your service experience and what you share. And so my encouragement through all of that is to go far back, because there's always again I always use this rep this example.
Speaker 2:I was in here filming a new real estate agent and I said why are you doing this? Like the whole video was about her. Why? I was like why are you doing this? Like the whole video was about her. Why? I was like why are you doing this? And she, she gives me her whole script, you know, and it was. It was no disrespect to her, it was very clean. You know, I want to be a realist. I'm a real estate agent because I'm here to help people find their safe haven and their new haven and home and like all this stuff. That sounded so cute, so great, and I was like I turned the camera off, right, and I go okay, now that we got that out of the way, why are you? Why are you a real estate agent? Why are you transitioning into this?
Speaker 2:What's the story, bro, and she is the most beautiful example of this. She goes on to saying when I grew up, home was not a safe space, I would get off the bus and do everything that I could to delay going home. And she's like it has meant everything to me to be able to contribute. I know I cannot guarantee anyone's life or lifestyle, but if I can contribute to helping someone else have a home that they look forward to going to, that can be full of peace. And so I said you know, I borderline tears because I said now that's the story.
Speaker 2:But then when I talk about heat, people are like what does it mean to heal the story? What does it mean to engage in forgiveness and all that stuff? I said why don't you say that? And she's like because I'm afraid of like. I don't want other people, like my mom or whatever, to ever watch a video like that and feel guilty or shame. And I was like that's real, let's talk about that. Now we begin to heal the story so that she can fully embrace. I said do you know that people would buy from you and choose to work with you because they identify with their story? And oftentimes when we talk about branding. We talk about people being able to find themselves within your story.
Speaker 2:So why am I so vocal about my fatherlessness, about the abuse that I faced, about the trauma, about the aces, about all this stuff? It's because it has informed my perspective and why I believe that story is powerful and why I think other people should embrace all of their. I had to learn deep forgiveness. I had to look at me. I I sat bro, like my father has held my children, has never held me, and so forgiveness doesn't just impact the future, it redeems the past, you know. And so, like my father's going to hold my son bro in a month and he never would have held me Right. That's a powerful dynamic, and so I had my first father's day lunch with him. You know like people will choose to work with me simply because of my story.
Speaker 2:People will choose to work with you, justin, simply because of the journey you've gone through your story, and so I believe that, like not everyone needs a coach, sometimes people need a companion, and so the difference is is that sometimes we do not need somebody on the other end of the thing saying, come on, you got this Sometimes. Sometimes the result is the daily reminder in that moment that that I'm going to get there. But today I just need to take the one step. I need to make the one choice. I need to heal the one part of my story. I need to forgive the person, I need to forgive myself. That's why it's identity coaching, bro, that's why it's soul work.
Speaker 2:And so, yes, the answer is I would love to talk to anyone about any of that stuff, but it showed me that that's what people want to when they buy. It is obviously from the emotional parts of who we are, but we want to connect with story and that's why, like content, like what I do, helps impact content. I love helping people make content, but when it's on the other side of getting that part done, right, right, right, the healing of story, so that they can actually then like it's not good, who cares about telling a story, bro, if it's fractured on, like just unhealed and like you're trying to dance around it to try to polish it up and I'm like it will get you somewhere for a little while. It will not sustainable, bro, and not the kind of impact I think people actually want to make in their businesses.
Speaker 1:Man so, with sorry, that was a lot, thank you, no, that's great. So narrow it down for me, because if someone's listening to this and maybe their, their interest is peaked or whatever, what kind of people would you like? So you said founders, ceos of a huge company, but maybe for their own personal, you know, development or soul coaching or identity coaching, that would never be forward. Facing it's like you know a lot. Most CEOs are not going to become like influencers of their, their company, like their, their services, sell their company right. Um, but would you be open, would it be helpful for people, your systems and frameworks that you walk people through to to, for someone like that to hire you?
Speaker 2:yes, because this to heal. A story isn't just isn't just about how we show up in content, it's how how we lead, how we love, how we live. Okay, yeah, Right, and I impacted all of those things. Like I saw my performance, mentality, um, and the work that I needed done had nothing to do with just exclusively how I decided to show up in front of my camera. You know it had every. It had everything to do with how I showed up and how I love my wife and my children, how I actually am in service to others and how I actually live honorably before the Lord, Like those soul work and identity story coaching, like it's so much more than how you stand up and present. I love that stuff. I want to help people practically become more confident and show up oh my gosh, dude because I know the impact that they want to make. But this impacts all of this. That's why it's not just a brand, that's why I'm not just a branding coach, and so consulting and coaching and guiding through that is something that will impact your whole life and so it will ultimately create more sustainability in your brand.
Speaker 2:If you are a founder and CEO, your high levels of stress probably come from misalignment not just over, not just heavy work, not just heavy lifting.
Speaker 2:And so there's there's chances are that in your identity somewhere, um, your like your identity is just misaligned, and so we've got to be able to like return to who you are without the titles. And it's really hard when someone's been doing that for 20, 30 years, it's very hard. And so, yeah, dude, I'm right now in this season that's even again my speaking like, whether it's, you know, college athletes or like creative conferences like yours, where I'm able to come and talk about confidence in your identity as an artist. It's like all of that information can be, can be geared toward any person in life who's trying to actually live free and make impact. Um, and so I speak from my own pain, my own mess, my own journey of overcoming burnout and being able to find that, oh my gosh, like if we can, if we can reel in, then we can actually impact and influence and serve the titles that we have in that season with like actual impact and not just potential burnout, heart attacks and strokes at any given second.
Speaker 1:So yeah, dude, I love it. Well, dude, it's been inspiring to watch you the past year and a half succeed in this new business and in transition, which is kind of the topic for this podcast of transition. Well, with grace, still loving God, your spouse and your children. And so if you want to work with Jordan, just have a conversation, start a conversation. Hit him up on Instagram. That's the best place to do it. Yes, yeah, hit him up on Instagram. I know he'd love to have a conversation.
Speaker 1:I know you're talking about somebody in St Louis you're consulting with I think it's this upcoming weekend, doing a day consult with them and they're going to see a lot of transformation. I know that they will and I can definitely attest, like just straight up sales pitch for Jordan, being a friend of Jordan, having coffees with Jordan and we go back and forth, for sure. And there's a iron, sharpening iron, but numerous ones on my projects. Numerous of my ideas have been sharpened and honed and it becomes not just about the project but also becomes, like you know, I'm sitting there, you know, putting stuff in my, in my journal, and taking notes on like not just, oh, good idea to do this, marketing email or whatever on on myself and soul care.
Speaker 1:You know, I told someone recently like we cannot leave our ideation, our processing and emotional work all between our ears. We cannot figure all of it out ourselves. We need to have other people, whether that's a therapist, a counselor, you know, a soul coach, whatever you want to call it. You know getting someone else in our life, in our corner. Maybe you don't own a business, maybe you a soul coach, whatever you want to call it, you know getting someone else in our life, in our corner. Maybe you don't, maybe you don't own a business, Maybe you're a musician at a church listening to this and you're like, you know I'm going to talk to my friends we just shoot the breeze and my parents, and that you know, like getting someone to talk to is is so, so helpful, so, so beneficial and will only massively influence your, your creative journey and your work.
Speaker 2:And that's what I love about what you're doing, though, too, man, like I remember when that phrase came up at recharge, you know, soul care for worship leaders. It's like the reason that this is is multifaceted. It's not just for some founder CEO sitting in a suite somewhere you know and over the park or wherever you know it's. It's the fact that I wish that I kind of had this, you know, as a high performer, high achiever, as somebody who you know was just trying to do the work of the lord, serve the ministry, and that's why I think, like watching you do recharge we're about to flip the script here on who's who's pitching who but it's like, bro, watching the effort that you put into like something like recharge, where I'm like I'm like Justin's doing, justin's doing the work because he's done the work and so like to have soul care to help worship leaders with the way that they feel, the way that they think, the way that they choose, the way that they respond to God. Like you are doing so much more than just.
Speaker 1:I'm going to pray for you.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Like you're, you're helping actually put them in a position where they can decompress, have a safe space to process and get real about what they feel assigned to do, called to do, titled to do and um, and so that's why it's such an easy like like that's why it's been an iron sharpening. Iron is, I think, that we're both so dedicated to wanting to see. You know, we both do. We invest in therapy, we invest in these things that are, like you know what I mean Like you've been a massive inspiration, motivation to me.
Speaker 2:You know, even in this last year of like being someone who could have walked away from this bro and hate the church and hate like, have massive regret over worship leading, it's like I've been able to walk.
Speaker 2:I've been able to walk, I've been able to transition out of this, still loving Jesus and still loving the, the, the, the years, and then still contributing and believing in, like, the work that you're doing for people who feel called to this place and just being like dang, like I wish that I kind of like, like, knew just in five years ago I did, but, like you know, like I wouldn't have paid attention to needing coaching or whatever, because I would have felt like I'm just a skilled worship leader, right, um, but to see the real work that you're doing as well, as you are like like walking people through.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, even on like one of the comments on on your ad the other day, you know someone had made it seem like they just had it all, you know, figured out, and I love the people who try to just come back, you know, know, and try to basically attack you on these, on these threads. I love your response where you're just like I'm so grateful that you have it all figured out. You know, I know it's a little bitey, but the reality is, is that like I love that position, bro, because you're like on the front lines of fighting for these people who are on the front lines.
Speaker 2:Like you're, you fight for the people who are on the front lines and um and so anyways, man, it's like also, I know that your audience is probably aware of recharge, but if they're not, or any of your coaching, it's just like bro, watching the way that you are dedicated to these human beings is like is unmatched dude. You know, and I know I said that when we, when we did the training you know, last month, but also any person listening to this it's like y'all got to jump in because you got to jump into coaching. Like like this is to me it's a non-negotiable Like. I think if I was leading teams, I would be like no, no, no, we have to have coaching because we have to keep our souls in a place of not just surrender before the Lord, but like we need guidance in hard questions and we need to make sure that we're healthy and well to lead other people and not just do this from a place of uh, you know, of potential burnout, you know, and so there is a way to do it healthy.
Speaker 1:I think you towed that line and coached through it really, really well, so I think people need to sign up for recharge and do the thing so, anyways, love that you need the man sign up for recharge and do the thing, do the thing. So, anyways, love that you've been the man sign up for recharge and do the thing, do the thing. So good to chat with you bro, thanks for being involved and sharing. Really appreciate you, man, always you.